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September 05, 2008

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RW

Great stuff. I love all the statistical reports reports you run, very interesting.

Given that you're such a stickler for accuracy (you call for using $/sqft over price - which I agree with) I'm surprised you calculate all these numbers and draw all these conclusions (such as regular buyers pay $100K on $50/sqft more) without any disclaimer as to the real causes of the difference.

Realtors love to point out that the houses are not in the same condition. Foreclosures may require repairs, cleaning, back taxes or HOA dues, landscaping etc. and are generally sold as-is you don't get to negotiate for any "extras".

But I'm talking about the even bigger geographic bias. The foreclosure sales are still largely concentrated in the outlying areas: Queen creek, Maricopa etc. while the traditional sales are more evenly distributed.

So to exaggerate just a bit, you're not just comparing a foreclosure vs. traditional sale, you're comparing a foreclosure on a beat up house with the fixtures torn out in Buckeye to a regular sale on an immaculate home in north Phoenix. Is it any wonder the former is significantly cheaper?

Run the comparison again in a single zip or subdivision and I think you'll find the difference almost disappears.

Ron

RW,

Thanks for reading. Yes, I see your point. I write so many articles on this blog that sometimes I think everyone has read them. Property condition and geographic bias have been addressed in previous posts. However, the difference between normal and foreclosure type properties does not disappear when we break down the analysis. The most volatile comparison would be with subdivisions because of their relatively small size. However, zip codes and cities produce more reliable results.

Look at these figures for Gilbert zip code 85296. I randomly picked 85296 by closing my eyes and placing my finger on a zip code and map. Since we're looking at a much smaller number of sales, I ran these figures for the last three months. The average "normal" sale was $274,993 and 2,247 square feet, for a price per square foot of $122. The average "foreclosure-type" sale was $232,762 and 2,116 square feet, for a price per square foot of $109. Thus, a difference of only $13 per square foot.

However, here are the numbers for the City of Phoenix during this same time period. The average "normal" sale was $290,461 and 1,924 square feet, for a price per square foot of $151.00. The average "foreclosure-type" sale was $160,308 and 1,740 square feet, for a price per square foot of $92. You can see a difference of $59.00 per square foot.

Granted, there is a geographic bias when you consider homes sold in south Phoenix compared to north Phoenix. Nonetheless, there are countless examples of homes on the same street selling for dramatic differences in prices. Click here

http://www.foreclosureexpert.info/2008/04/a-tale-of-two-h.html

for one example. In this example, the REO home only needed the carpets cleaned.

Ron

RW,

Thanks for reading. Yes, I see your point. I write many articles on this blog, and sometimes I fantasize that everyone has read them all. Property condition and geographic bias have been addressed in previous posts. However, the difference between normal and foreclosure type properties does not disappear when we break down the analysis. The most volatile comparison would be with subdivisions because of their relatively small size. However, zip codes and cities produce more reliable results.

Look at these figures for Gilbert zip code 85296. I randomly picked 85296 by closing my eyes and placing my finger on a zip code map. Since we're looking at a much smaller number of sales, I ran these figures for the last three months. The average "normal" sale was $274,993 and 2,247 square feet, for a price per square foot of $122. The average "foreclosure-type" sale was $232,762 and 2,116 square feet, for a price per square foot of $109. Thus, a difference of only $13 per square foot.

However, here are the numbers for the City of Phoenix during this same time period. The average "normal" sale was $290,461 and 1,924 square feet, for a price per square foot of $151.00. The average "foreclosure-type" sale was $160,308 and 1,740 square feet, for a price per square foot of $92. You can see a difference of $59.00 per square foot.

Granted, there is a geographic bias when you consider homes sold in south Phoenix compared to north Phoenix. Nonetheless, there are countless examples of homes on the same street selling for dramatic differences in prices. Click here
http://www.foreclosureexpert.info/2008/04/a-tale-of-two-h.html
for one example. In this example, the REO home only needed the carpets cleaned.

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